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Airports Consultation

Postby AlanB on 12 Nov 2014, 11:55

The Airports Commission have just released their consultation documents on potential Heathrow and Gatwick expansion. They are seeking views on 3 options for a new runway in the south east of England, and on its assessments of these options. In particular, the commission wishes to:

[*] test the evidence base it has assembled
[*] understand stakeholders’ views as to the accuracy, relevance and breadth of the assessments it has undertaken
[*] seek views on the potential conclusions that might be drawn from them

They also "welcome evidence and ideas about improving the short-listed options (eg through mitigation measures to address specific impacts)."

Documents are available at
https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/increasing-the-uks-long-term-aviation-capacity

This is your chance to voice an opinion. The consultation closes on 3rd Feb 2015 at 11:45pm

You can respond by mail or online:

Email to:
airports.consultation@systra.com

Write to:
Freepost RTKX-USUC-CXAS
Airports Commission Consultation
PO Box 1492
Woking
GU22 2QR

Response form templates are available to download from:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/consultation_response_form_data/file/300/Response_form.doc
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Re: Airports Consultation

Postby sullivj on 12 Nov 2014, 23:30

Thanks Alan.

That 138 page Gatwick assessment is going to take some reading.

Shall we open the bets now on Gatwick winning first 'prize'....?
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Re: Airports Consultation

Postby EddieL on 12 Nov 2014, 23:53

Ohh goody, another consultation to respond to:-)

What with Turners Hill NH plan up for consultation, and the new District plan open for comments shortly, there is no shortage of rereading material!
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Re: Airports Consultation

Postby AlanB on 13 Nov 2014, 10:56

EddieL wrote:Ohh goody, another consultation to respond to:-)

What with Turners Hill NH plan up for consultation, and the new District plan open for comments shortly, there is no shortage of rereading material!

Have a little more!
The Gatwick response
http://www.mediacentre.gatwickairport.com/News/-Momentum-behind-Gatwick-as-the-solution-that-best-answers-all-the-questions-Stewart-Wingate-987.asp

They claim 46% support for expanding Gatwick over Heathrow and only 37% for Heathrow over Gatwick if according to a YouGov poll. Not surprising really - the poll was commissioned by Gatwick and only the 32 boroughs of Greater London were polled. Apparently the opinions of those local to Gatwick either don't count or have been deliberately ignored, in case the answer is inconvenient.

GATCOM have released their initial reaction:
The paper confirms that a new runway would make Gatwick bigger (more passengers) than Heathrow today. That would be an environmental calamity.

The Commission paper shows 30,000 people affected by noise compared to 10,000 today (54 leq). And 560,000 aircraft a year compared to 250,000 at present

We believe it would mean the urbanisation of large chunks of Sussex; new flight paths over many towns and villages across Surrey, East and West Sussex, and Kent; loss of tranquillity in Areas of Outstanding Natural Beauty; a record number of historic buildings demolished; gridlock on the M25; and a worsening of the north-south divide.

The Commission estimate of 90,000 new jobs (including new firms) would mean mass inward migration either from the north or from the EU. The Commission estimate 18,400 new houses would be required – we think this estimate is too low.

The Commission raises serious concerns about Gatwick’s ability to raise the funding required to deliver its plans. The benefit for the whole country is estimated at half that for a new runway at Heathrow.

The Commission reckons that landing charges at Gatwick would need to rise from double, from £9 per passenger to £19, or £23 at peak. More than at Heathrow today – one of the most expensive airports in the world.

Would passengers and airlines choose to use Stansted instead where landing charges would remain at £9?

It is absurd to think of building a new runway at either Gatwick or Heathrow when Stansted and Birmingham airports are less than half full.


I haven't read the full report yet but cannot see where the airlines have been asked for their preference, any option to move cargo flights out of Gatwick and Heathrow etc. Pity that they closed Manston in favour of housing.
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Re: Airports Consultation

Postby johnp on 13 Nov 2014, 12:43

A few weeks ago I was talking to an acquaintance about the Heathrow/Gatwick debate.

This chap, who in his working life has had dealings with many in government and Whitehall, says that as far as he can tell the decision has already been made and that Gatwick will get the extra runway. In his opinion all that the public consultation is about is a matter of box ticking to "show" that it has been done correctly.

Rather like other public consultations we have seen hereabouts!
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Re: Airports Consultation

Postby Roba on 13 Nov 2014, 13:34

A family member works at the airport and he tells the same story. That it,s a done deal that Gatwick will have a second runway.
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Re: Airports Consultation

Postby Ray on 13 Nov 2014, 18:05

Yeah, I was talking to a bloke at football last weekend, he used to work as a baggage handler, said the same. Obviously true, then. :roll:
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Re: Airports Consultation

Postby AlanB on 14 Nov 2014, 11:06

It may or may not be the case that the decision has already been made. However, that should not deter us from making our voices heard and, in the process, making the decision makers work harder at justifying their decision.

I've heard from a good source that the financial case for Heathrow is overwhelming, so any Gatwick decision which does not fully address that could make interesting reading.

There are very significant implications and risks for the area if Gatwick goes ahead. Apart from the obvious noise issues, the Gatwick proposals seem very inward looking with scant regard for external infrastructure such as roads, houses and schools. Moreover, neither Gatwick nor Heathrow seem to have consulted their customers (the airlines) in any depth.

Although, the promise of more jobs with Gatwick expansion might seem like good news for the area, those jobs are predominantly in the lower pay scales in one of the lowest unemployment areas in the country. That would seem to imply a larger local population, so not only far more housing in the area, but far more social housing and/or far more travel. That also implies far more local traffic, with no road improvements proposed other than at the airport itself. The A264/M23 junction is already at standstill during long periods of the day, St Modwens (Copthorne "West") development will extend the misery longer and further.

Another issue which our politicians should bear in mind is risk. Every successful business knows to spread their risk and not unduly rely on the business of one major customer. The same thinking should apply to planners - Gatwick would be such a large employer that any fluctuation in it's business would have a major impact on the area.
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Re: Airports Consultation

Postby andrew on 14 Nov 2014, 14:28

With aircraft now the noisiest form of public travel dreamt up by man, I find it unbelievable that either of these two airports, surrounded as they are by probably the most densely populated areas in the land, are even being considered for any enlargement whatsoever.
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